Reply to this post with what brought you to the Emporia Community; how long you’ve been using your Vue; why you’re interested in energy monitoring; what other smart home devices you’re into; and what you’re into when you’re not tracking your energy usage.
Jim @ Emporia
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I’ll go first.
Hi, I’m Jim. I work at Emporia and help set up the Community platform. I’ve been using my Vue since 5/7/19. I’m interested energy monitoring because I care about the environment. I have some Google Home stuff, Sonos speakers, and some smart bulbs, that’s about it. Outside of energy monitoring, I like to bike, hike, play music, and make art.
Marty @EmporiaEmporia Staff
Hi! I’m Marty, I work here at Emporia and head up our customer care team. I currently have two Vue’s installed in my home and use them to monitor my main panel as well as my sub panel. The Vue has helped solve a lot of arguments in my household about who and what is using the most energy in my house. Outside of work I stay very busy with my family, coaching a competitive youth Lacrosse team and keeping my three dogs out of trouble.
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Hello, I’m Adam, and I’m on the product development team here at Emporia. I’ve had my Vue installed since May 7, 2019 (one of the first units ever made!). The Vue has helped me become better informed about my appliance usage, and helped me monitor my home for abnormalities. I use a few other IoT devices to support me at home – smart speakers, a smart doorbell, and a wireless temperature/humidity sensor. When I’m not at Emporia, you can find me in the mountains skiing, biking, or hiking!
I’m John. I began monitoring my new Massachusetts house because it’s all electric. Heat pumps for AC and heat, heat pump hot water, induction range, HRV ventilation, LED lighting and 10 Kw solar panels. Understanding my overall consumption and generation were a priority. I started with a competing product that had potential but couldn’t provide good device identification. It’s nice to know when power is being consumed, but if the device consuming it can’t be identified there’s a lot less value in the information. I acquired a Vue because it seemed to be much more specific in helping me identify high consumption devices. So far, so good!
Hey guys, I’m Matt. I bought a Vue last month and have been loving it so far. I just moved into a new house that had the old original thermostat (non-programmable) and not an LED light in the place. Just looking to keep an eye on what we are using and trying to make the house as energy efficient as possible! I have to admit it’s really addicting to watch the usage. I go into super ‘dad mode’ and walk around shutting lights off and seeing how far down usage goes. I used Vue to determine which lights are not LED by flipping them off/on and seeing the amount of usage. No need to get on a ladder and open the fixture if it’s already LED.
I recently had some HVAC issues and used my Vue to troubleshoot the furnace. Instead of having to walk back and forth from the thermostat all the way down to the HVAC unit, I was able to see if it was kicking on or not from Vue while messing with the thermostat.
Keep up the good work guys!
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Welcome, Matt! Thanks for all your help and feedback.
Hello folks, I am Hector and live in Mexico. This year I installed solar panels and wanted a power meter and then found the Vue. I bought it and installed but found out it had not net metering capabilities that were just recently added. I’ve been testing it since the new firmware was released. It does work but still has some glitches that hopefully get fixed in the next versions. I will provide further details later on. I am Mechanical Engineer and work in the aerospace industry, an enthusiast programmer and love technology and internet of things. I have a 2.5KWh solar installation and few home automation devices either home-brewed when job allows or bought. Glad to be part of this community and make this product the best option in the market, particularly in Mexico where solar energy has gained a lot of momentum.
Welcome, Hector! We’ll keep an eye out for your feedback.
Hi I’m Kevin, just got a Vue a couple weeks ago. I’m trying to reduce our power use closer to our solar production both for cost and environmental reasons. I’m not huge into the smart home stuff (no lights, automation, etc) – I have a Honeywell Smart Thermostat, the heat pump hot water heater is connected, and Ring alarm. My related hobby is my blog http://www.ecofriendlycheapass.com and spend a lot of time traveling.
Hey Kevin! Welcome to the Emporia community.
Hi Eveveryone, I’m Kyle. I live in CT and have been using the Vue for less than a month now. The impetus for my install was to get a better handle on my household electricity consumption in preparation for a potential solar panel project. Previous to now, I had been running around the house with a Kill-O-Watt and measuring individual appliances, which was less than optimal. The Vue allows me to develop a more comprehensive picture of my home as a system, which I really appreciate. I look forward to seeing this product mature and using it to make well educated decisions about future electricity consumption.
Besides the Vue, we’re running a couple Nest thermostats and a smart doorbell. I haven’t caught the home automation bug yet, but I’m all for devices that will improve the safety and efficiency of my home.
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Welcome to the Emporia Community, Kyle!
Hi My name is Mark. I bought vue July 2019. I am interested in tracking energy use of individual circuits. I like to track down abnormalities. I would like to add expansion,but always seems to be backordered.
Shawn @EmporiaEmporia Staff
Hello everyone, I’m Shawn McLaughlin, CEO and Founder of Emporia. Thanks to all of you for your interest and support of Emporia Energy. We are working really hard to deliver the best customer value proposition possible. Balancing cost of hardware with user experience is tricky and your feedback about what is important to you is very helpful. Please stay tuned as we plan on rolling our several updates, new features and new products throughout 2020. Our 2019 goal was to bring the Emporia Vue to market and listen to our customers. Our 2020 goal is to take that feedback and make the product great! Thank You!
I’m Curtis, a retired civil engineer and Vue user since mid-October (2019). I was looking for an energy monitor to help me size a standby generator before next year’s hurricane season begins. I live near Tampa and have been much luckier than some Florida friends who have lost power for a week after hurricanes. I’ve been in this house for a couple of decades and have a portable generator with a natural gas conversion. Each year I’d service and start it, but never had to place it in “real” service. I’ve decided to upgrade to a standby generator with an automatic transfer switch, in 2020. I’m using the Vue data to help me size the standby generator.
That’s actually a great use case, I’ve been pondering a portable generator for backup and feel much better about getting a smaller one now that I’ve seen actual peak use at any given time.
Welcome to the community, Curtis! Please keep us posted on your generator project!
Hi, I’m Don. I began using my Vue in November 2019. This past summer, I installed solar panels. On the advice of my contractor, I put my money into the panels and stayed with a grid tied system — no batteries. This made good bang for the buck as far as generation goes, but still leaves me unable to use electricity (potentially) generated by the panels during power outages. This is not much of an issue, as power outages in our area (Pacific Northwest) have been typically associated with winter storms, when cloud cover obviates solar generation anyway. But this year’s fire season brought Public Safety Power Shutoffs during sunny weather. I run a backup generator, anyway, but I’m using the Vue data to help me to refine my power needs and help me size my next generator and (future) battery storage.
I’m really enjoying playing around with the Vue and the data it collects. Thanks for a great tool!
Welcome to the community, Don!
I’m Emily outside of Washington DC. I just installed my Vue today! Took a little bit longer than I anticipated because my electric panel is bursting with wires and that made it surprisingly hard to maneuver the power wires and the monitoring clamps into place, but still only took about 30-40 minutes.
For several months my electric bill has been quite high, and looking at the usage charts on my utility’s website I found that there was a consistent baseline of 2 kWh being drawn 24 hours a day (nope, that’s not a typo, my house was drawing no less than 2,000 watts every minute of the day). I had a few suspicions about the culprits based on recent changes in the house, but the usage charts didn’t quite align with when I know the suspect appliances were being run, so I bought the expansion pack to give me the circuit monitoring my utility company doesn’t have the capability to provide.
In preparation for the Vue’s arrival, last night I set about making a detailed circuit map of my house and found several circuits with no apparent use anywhere! Including a 240v double pole breaker, which seems bonkers to me – there aren’t that many things that run on 240v and all the ones that I know are in my house are accounted for on other breakers. My house is about 65 years old and has an addition that was built on later and plenty of evidence behind the walls of DIY repairs that were done over the decades, so it’s not unlikely that some of the circuits are genuinely no longer connected to anything, but after collecting some baseline data from circuits I know are in use, I’m planning to move a few of the clamps onto the mystery circuits and see if anything is drawing on them.
While making the circuit map I flipped off all the 120v breakers that I couldn’t map to a known outlet/light/appliance, figuring if something over the next few days suddenly doesn’t have power when I go to use it, I’ll know it’s one of the mystery breakers! After setting up the Vue and flipping the main breaker back on, my “baseline” has already dropped to 900-950 watts – checked the utility website and it corroborates the data, with the base usage dropping last night after I made the map to about 950 watts. Still way higher than I want it to be, but this may have revealed that one of those mystery circuits might have been malfunctioning and drawing power despite not being connected to anything – and the 1 kWh reduction in baseline is already enough to save me $100/month!
Welcome @emilya! Sounds like you have a crazy system at your house. It awesome to hear that your Vue is helping with your energy bill!
Hi, I’m Jeff from the Midwest.
I’ve had the main unit installed for around a month, watching baseline usage. Added the expansion yesterday because our utility finally installed the net meter so that I can use a 3.4 Kw grid-tied solar panel system that i installed. Playing with the circuit defines, trying to get a feel for what is really going in and out of the meter.
Hello Jeff! Welcome to the community. Keep us posted on your progress with your solar production.
Hi, I’m Glenn. Purchased and installed the Vue and love the results. I am building a couple Excel templates to use with the exported data. Would be interested if anyone has any templates they have built to analyze the output.
Welcome to the community, Glenn! If you get some templates built that you want to share with the community, let us know and we’ll host them on the site here.
Hello – Ed from Ohio – Compared all the available monitors and went with emporia energy (main and expansion). I did the installation myself and it was easy. Love the detailed data available for download. We have to EVs and solar on the house and very cool to see how all this is influencing our home electric usage. We plan to put battery storage on in 2020 and will monitor that as well. I’ll post some product development ideas as I work in the electric power industry including DER. Thank you for developing this product. I have pictures of the install I can send along if interested. Take care.
Welcome Ed! Glad you’re enjoying your Vue and it sounds like you have a great energy saving home. Thanks for your product ideas and we’d all love to see your photos.
Hi there, This is Chris in Virginia. I just installed 2 Vue systems (one per 200 amp panel) and one 8 expansion pack in my home. I bought the system to troubleshoot a higher than usual electric bill ($100 higher) and found the culprit in less than 1 hour of reviewing the data. Turns out that one leg of my heat pump was not getting consistent power due to a failing breaker on one phase, and the system would use the electric emergency heat to try and keep up. Time will tell if this fixes the issue but it was very easy to install and move the clamps around to help troubleshoot the wiring.
The app and data is fairly easy to use, keep up the good work!
I would like to see the ability to stack multiple graphs on one screen; like the main and several of the subs. It would also be great to add 2 or 3 of the expansion pack readings into a single reading and chart. (I have 3 breakers that make up my heat pump) I haven’t reviewed the export data yet but it would be great to have an API to link directly to an excel file. I would then use PowerBi to make templates for easy analysis.
Keep up the good work and I look forward to future insights gained from having a better view of my energy use.
Hi, my name is Mike.
I installed my Vue last weekend. A couple years ago I installed a nice solar array. Based on the size of the system and my power consumption, it was only going to cover about 80-90% of my usage. Where I’m at, if you produce more than you consume then you don’t get extra credit (on an annual basis) so there’s no incentive to over size your system. I am interested in figuring out how to close the gap though. So I figured that if I added some sort of monitoring system I could figure out where all the power was being consumed and then figure out how to selectively reduce it. So far, the first thing I’ve done is to change my HVAC fan setting from continuous to Auto. I had good reasons to run it in continuous mode but when I saw that it was using about 400 watts, 24 hr/day, I figured it would be worth it to only turn it on when needed. Like I said, I’ve only had the system for a week so I don’t have a lot of data yet. Hopefully, I can make a bunch of little changes or modify some behaviors to shrink the gap to my solar production and not have to pay an electrical bill in the future.
I’m Eric and just bought a Vue to use at my Church. It’s an old building (1930) and has 2 pairs of really thick wire coming in from the street and unfortunately the CT coils don’t fit around them. The wire is super stiff (and live) so I can’t pry them apart to put the coil around just 1. Is there a way to put a larger coil on it? I’m an electronics engineer so I can solder and compare the specs to get a coil with similar specs. I’m not all that concerned about absolute accuracy as 40% of our bill is due to the Demand Charges so we’re looking to find the source of the peak for the month and shave that down.
We’re in NH.
Hi. I’m Hank, and I bought my first Vue bundle today. Waiting for it to arrive!
I did a lot of research to find a whole house monitor. I was expecting to get a Sense, but then read all the reviews for how frequently it failed to find devices, and how it had problems with variable speed motors, so I gave up on their AI and decided to go the direct route. Was delighted to find the Vue with a reasonable # of circuit taps for a reasonable price
I’m now trying to figure out how many Vue’s I really need.
For 240v circuits (heat pump, electric water heater, etc), I see that you now support having to monitor only one of the two Hots coming from a 2 pole breaker. I guess you are assuming that the current on each hot is the same, so you can use the multiplier to get a reasonable estimate of overall current used by the 240v appliance. Am I understanding this right?
If so, then here is what I believe I need to monitor the significant circuits in my house. I have two panels. Panel 1 has: induction cooktop (240v), air handler fan (120v), central vac (120v), electric dryer (240v), furnace electric heating element (240v) x 2, water pump (240v), disposal (120v), oven (240v), EV charger (240v). Panel 2 has: heat pump (240v) x 2, fridge (120v), washer (120v), dishwasher (120v), pool (240v), hot tub (240v), electric water heater (240v)
So, assuming I need only one tap for a 240v circuit, I would need 10 taps for panel 1, and 8 taps for panel 2. Sounds like I’m in good shape for penel 2, but I’ll need to put two Vue’s in panel 1 since I need more than 8 taps. Am I understanding this right? Any issue putting two Vue’s in the same panel?
Anything else I should be considering, or alternative ways to set this up? Guess I could always try to not monitor 2 circuits in panel 1 (likely the disposal and central vac).
If I periodically move a tap between two circuits, any way to let the app know which circuit the tap is connected to (so the app would permit more than 8 circuits to be defined per Vue, and would tally the current to the appropriate circuit based on changes I make to the app config)?
Thanks! Looking forward to getting started
Welcome to the community, @hanksterr7 and thanks for your purchase! Yes, you understand the multiplier completely. It won’t be 100% accurate, because the two sides of a 240V appliance often aren’t exactly the same, but it should give you a pretty clear idea of how much energy it’s using. As far as how many Vue’s you need, it sounds like you’re counting your circuits correctly, but which of those you decide to monitor is entirely up to you. Like you say, you can choose not to monitor two circuits that are less important to you. We don’t recommend moving the clamps around, as it will impact the cumulative counts for your usage – month, year and lifetime counts will be off. Feel free to reach out to us on chat or phone to discuss further.
My name is Brian Edwards. Santa Cruz CA
61 yrs old retired from portable barcode reader assembly, repair, tech support and sales. Also network admin etc…. Worked a few years at Radio Shack between barcode jobs. Tools, wires and meters strewn everywhere.
Installed the VUE and EXPANSION in order to gauge loads / peak usage and estimate how big a generator or battery backup we need. 7 Kilowatt 11 year old Solar installation with 40 SunPower positive ground panels and an SMA SB7000 grid tied inverter. Service Entrance is a Challenger meter / load center combo with four breakers feeding 240 volt (split phase to 120) to two subpanels. The first four CT inputs of the expansion pack monitor the whole house.
The Solar was spliced onto the load side of two breakers since there wasn’t room to add more breakers (I think that is how it should be done). I ordered the spring clamp / bus bar CTs for the mains but decided to open the utility panel and clamp the standard CTs AHEAD of the meter on 00 gauge ? wire. The standard expansion CTs didn’t fit one pair of heavy wires feeding the subpanel for dryer, range and cooktop so I ordered the LARGE diameter Cts. Set the multiplier for inputs 7&8 (solar) to minus one for good measure ? Will post photos once I get settled in.
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Hello, This is my introduction: I am Mark Mettler located in Stateboro Georgia. We (Ruth & I) are technically commercial farmers with 200A service on Excelsior EMC. I say technically because, it’s really retirement from commercial corporate IT with a retired corporate HR director. So, we both have time and energy to farm honeybees at BeeUtiful Bees in SE Georgia, USA. We are from the US and England. I was military before IT. We have been moitoring with Sense for two years and are tired of not being able to really identify all we are using, as Sense does algorithm ID and does not allow user input. We produce about 50% of our power use with solar. We are not currently monitoring solar with Emporia. Very tech-savvy and eggar to find out exactly what we are using power for in hopes of making better decisions.
Hi, I’m Bryan, I’ve just installed the Vue and next will install the expansion pack. Everything installed fairly easily. Our panel is in the wall but the antenna is able to work fine in the space between the box and the stud. The graphs are nice and they show the expected activity from oven, TV, lights, and surprisingly the coffee maker. We are looking for culprits to higher than normal energy costs. The house is LEED platinum certified and should be pretty efficient.
The graphing function shows energy cost instead of watts or amps. I don’t think the app is using the correct cost per kilowatt hour. How can I change it?
I do not see an edit function on the reply commands so I will update. I found the watts and amps setting, yay!
I finished installing the expansion module and it stopped the main system from working, boo! Disconnecting the cable to the expansion module made the main system work again. I will put in a ticket to get a new one.
First thank you for an excellent product.
My name is is Martin and i’m an IT systems engineer outside of New Orleans.
Since this is hurricane country I’ve been looking at energy monitoring for a while, specifically for the purpose of sizing a backup generator/battery backup.
I was originally looking at the Sense unit, but it never really seemed quite right and the price was fairly high.
Then i came across Vue and it seemed to almost fit my need and the price was simply too perfect to pass up.
Been using it for a couple of months now, with expansion module, and i have to say it has more than exceeded my expectations.
There’s a couple of minor features that would make it absolutely perfect (which i have raised elsewhere on the forum), but overall this has been an excellent product experience.
As for IoT/Smart products i have here in the house it’s a little bit of everything.
Generally I don’t see most smart products as being mature, we’re all just public, paying beta testers, so i try to get a little bit of everything to get a better handle on what works and what doesn’t.
So far i have Google Nest thermostat, smoke detectors, doorbell and speakers. Google Chromecast. Samsung home hub smart fridge and hub. Phillips Hue lights (some DIY) and switches/dimmers. Belking smart switches. Denon HEOS speakers and receivers. Logitech Harmony universal remotes and hubs. Plex media server. BlueIris server for surveillance cameras. Home Assistant server. All servers running in VMware ESXi to tie it all together with a Meraki network providing access for it all.
And now the Vue 🙂
It’s been a lot of work getting it all set up and tied together, but it’s nice seeing how the well made product just seamlessly get’s integrated into your day without even a thought, and interesting to see how the more crap products just never get used.
Still wanna add additional cameras, more sensors, more smart lights and switches, smart locks and more/better integration and automation.
But overall I would say it’s about 65% there.
Again. Thank you for great product and another reason for me to feed my addiction.
Always moving forward.
I bought the Emporia Vue and expansion modules because I wanted to know where my energy was going. I also wondered hoe much electricity my home ‘server lab’ was using. I’ve been using it about a week, and I am starting to see some data. How much good this will do me remains to be seen, but I am hopeful eit can help me shave something off my bill eventually. Still waiting to see if it ‘learns the devices’ on my grid…
I’m Ron in Toronto, ON Canada. Installed the Vue with the expansion in May. Like everyone else I bought this device to monitor and improve my electricity consumption. If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it. Great product and easy to install. The price point was very attractive and figured the ROI would be easy to recover.
I was able to recover in 2 months… which I feel is amazing. To my misconceptions my dishwasher 2 hour cycle only consumed $.13. My steamroom device only consumed $.45 for 45 min. All really good news. However where I was able to improve efficiencies was with my pool pump. A 1.5 kwh pump cost me $170/month. With a bit of research and measuring the total Dynamic Head (TDH) I found that my pool water cycles through in approximately 4 hours. Running 2 cycles (8 vs 24 hours) with a wifi switch has improved my electricity consumption with a savings of approximately $110/month. Best of all, no issues with chemical balance or water clarity. With the cost of the product plus shipping it was well worth the investment.
I also replaced my AC this year and it’s nice to know the the efficiency has improved compared to my old one. Not only when it runs but also running less minutes. That’s a great feature to be able to review how many minutes a device runs during the day,
It also provides me with a baseline of house consumption (e.g. ghost consumption at midnight) where at a glance I can determine if any devices are left on like a basement or garage light.
A lot of other great and useful features and with new features being added, it will only get better but looking forward to the TOU. Not a big issue at the moment as due to Covid-19 the hydro provider has suspended TOU rates and is currently flat at $.128/kwh.
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My name is Randy. I found the product while searching for something with the ability to send an alert when a circuit has been drawing power for an excessive amount of time. I raise cattle and have a remotely located pump that pumps water from a pond into Livestock water tanks located in other pastures. This pump is powered from a buried electrical circuit that on a breaker box in a building close to my home (wifi). The problem i was trying to solve is that occasionally one of the cattle manage to dislodge the overflow/drain stand up pipe in the tank resulting in it being drained and subsequently the pump running continuously trying to refill the tank. This can go unnoticed for 12-24 hours depending on when they knock it out.
I installed a Vue 2 and set up an alert notification for this circuit looking for greater than 0.5kw for 15 minutes. This works great. Under normal circumstances this pump never runs longer than 10 consecutive minutes. So if it runs for 15, there is a problem that needs to be investigated.
Thanks for this product at an affordable price.
Hello. My name is Gary Daniels. (aka Garrock). I live in the Southern Ohio area. I recently installed my first Vue 2 16 channel device two days ago. Everything working great. *** I allready have three sales lined up to fullfill and working on a deployment scale out plan.
Changing my basement dehumidifier level from 50 to 60 percent relative humidity noticeably reduced my power consumption and that alone should pay for this device in two years.
I have an extensive electronic hardware and software development background. Low power and harsh environments. Also skilled creating web based microservices and database solutions.
I see a lot of potential for the Emporia products and looking forward to participate.
Hello, this is Vijay. I was exploring sense and after some research, decided to buy Vue – 2nd gen. I installed it w/o any problem.
I live in SF Bay Area – home of Emporia. I’ve a 4.875KW PV system, which is hooked on to a Sunny Boy 5.0 working beautifully. I also have a 12KW DIY PowerWall – a LiFePo4 pack without a BMS at the moment. This is a AC coupled system, which charges the batteries between 11AM and 3 PM and powers my home from 3 PM to 3AM. Stores about 5KWh and produces about 5KWh.
My first request to the forum- change the font color to a bit darker color, so it is ease to read.
Hi all! This is Perry, and I live in the Pittsburgh, PA area. I have a total of 3 Vue systems running… One Gen 1 with 8 add on sensors, and two Gen 2’s each with 16 sensors. I have them at three different locations (one detached garage, and two different houses).
The product is excellent, and was easy to install myself (and I’m not an electrician). I compared Vue with a few other devices on the market, but the Vue seemed to be exactly what I was looking for, and I’ve been happy with it since I’ve gotten it.
I like to tinker, and there are certainly some places where the Android app could be improved a bit (and I’d love to see a web app). A lot of the things that I was looking for have already been asked for in this forum, which is great! So, I’m eagerly following the threads here to see how the software progresses. If you’re looking for a beta tester, I’d be happy to help and provide feedback!
Cheers, and keep up the excellent work 🙂
I’m John. I live near Seattle. Thoughts about backup generator prompted me to investigate electrical usage monitoring. I have 2 Gen 2 units so that I can monitor all the circuits in my home panel. I’ve enjoyed learning about electricity and usage in our household. I’ll share graphs I’ve created and products ideas in separate posts.
Hi I’m Larry. Just got Vue 2 on Christmas. I have it hooked up and working, but I’m not sure I’m getting the most out of it. I have a SolarEdge 4.6 KW solar system and net metering from our utility (AEP Ohio). So far I’m not sure how to monitor my solar output in combination with grid power. Hoping to learn more form this forum. Looking forward to getting to know you.
Hello, my name is Dave and I reside in western NY.
I became interested in energy monitoring because I am a bit of data junkie… About 10 years ago I wrote a program in Labview to monitor my furnace run time compared to indoor and outdoor temperature (and even sunlight) with the main purpose to investigate any advantage to altering the thermostat when not home. I even compared it to my friends house, which was newer and more insulated. (Result summary: Took 8 hours to “break even” in both cases)
You might say I am tired of rotating my single “kilowatt” meter between appliances of interest, and manually entering very “coarse” (daily or weekly) data! lol
I just ordered an emporia system for my home, and I’ve been scouring the forum to know what to do and expect once my monitor kit arrives!
I’m an electrical engineer in Chattanooga. Our local utility has a smart grid power monitoring system, but it only monitors the main lines and doesn’t support 3rd party units. purchased two units and for the price the hardware is impressive. It is painfully obvious that the hardware is a loss leader… obviously our data is valuable to marketers, who are subsidizing the hardware cost. I worry that eventually emporia might add a subscription service, which is a non-starter to me. We’ll see; I want them to be successful, but I worry that the hardware is too cheap to sustain itself long term.
I don’t have too much feedback on the hardware… it’s really good. The clamps are well-built and the current accuracy is close enough for a consumer device… I wouldn’t trust it in a financial setting, but obviously that’s not what it’s being used for. It does everything it needs to do and for the cost it can’t be beat.
But onto the software… boy does that need work. In no particular order:
-Y’all need a public API. Bad. And soon.
-Your program obfuscates too much.
-You need to list units next to numbers (and also use the correct units). It’s glaringly obvious that when I select “Watt” the app is actually showing kW… but without units how do I know? Also I have yet to find descriptions on how “gal of gas” (~120E6 Joules) is supposed to represent power (J/s). Is this “gallons of gas per hour?” Same for “Car mile…” is that per hour? What about CO2, is that grams/hour, pounds/year. And the worst off, what on earth is “trees” as a measure of power; I can’t even fathom a guess. If you enumerate what these are supposed to mean, I haven’t found it yet and I’ve spent a couple hours reviewing the documentation… most users would give up after maybe 20 seconds. After selecting an obscure unit, the App UI shows “Energy used in G…” but that’s all I can see… clicking on the text doesn’t do anything (using iOS). I can just imagine John Q Public setting it to “trees” and then gloating to his friends “I saved 245 trees this year…” oblivious to what that means. I get that y’all are trying to excite Mr. Public about boring concepts (to non-EEs), but at least explain the concepts you’re trying to abstract power into (and also please use the correct units).
-Your “multiplier” method of tapping full-phase circuits (A-to-B) is not good. Your FAQ briefly mentions that current returning to the split neutral isn’t included (correct), but how do you expect the typical customer to understand this? Worse though is that the multiplier is applied to the raw current measurement, which makes the current measurements incorrect… of course the multiplier is needed to make the power consumption correct, but the issue isn’t actually the multiplier… it’s just how it’s applied in software. The multiplier should be applied to the input voltage, not the current… that’s ACTUALLY what the multiplier is correcting (i.e. 240 volts versus 120 volts). The fact that this issue was pointed out to y’all over a year ago and it’s STILL not fixed is a hint that your software project was a one-off by a 3rd party who probably knows very little about power. P=IV isn’t a hard concept… it’s just applied wrong. The super frustrating thing is that without a public API we’re at your mercy to update, whereas I could simply change ONE LINE OF CODE to apply the multiplier to voltage (correct), versus current (incorrect). This is a major issue because most users would never notice this… and yet any user who chooses to display current would be off by a factor of 2 on all their 240 appliances (when single-current-monitored). This is such a simple fix, and just shows how little effort Emporia is willing to put into fixing categorically incorrect measurement error.
-I’d like to be able to see the measured real-time voltage. Why not display this?
-Using multiple units in the same system is painful. Using the ‘mains’ leads on a sub panel totally screws up the data… double counting anything in the sub panel. Obviously you could choose to not connect the ‘mains’ leads to the sub panel, but then that’s wasting three valid channels that could be used for higher current devices (e.g. my tankless water heater is 120 amps). Your UI needs a method to configure the ‘mains’ leads as high current leads. That would literally be a single feature add… no major code re-write. I’m not even asking y’all to merge all data together (in this paragraph at least)… just give an option to use the mains leads as sub leads. Your existing “Graphed Circuit” panel is absolutely the correct way to do this… but there’s no way to drag one system as a child (sub) to the other. It looks like your framework is there, it’s just not fully implemented.
-Merge multiple units into the same data presentation. Why do I need to switch between the two? Just show it all on one page.
-App should support landscape mode. In general app entirely lacks responsiveness (UI term, not related to display update speed).
-Graph display dragging is TERRIBLE. Beyond bad. Entirely unusable. I guess finger position is absolute-relative drag… but why? Just use relative drag… what is this, CAD circa 1995?
OK, so it’s pretty obvious I don’t like the software experience. I absolutely love the hardware though, and even with the glaring issues noted above, I do like this product. The 1 second realtime power updates are amazing. However, y’all are leaving SO much on the table. Of course, rather than fixing these issues, y’all could just give us a public API with access to voltage/current date for each sensor and we would HAPPILY do your software job for you.
I’m from Buffalo NY and have my Computer Engineering degree. I purchased the Vue2 because anything electrical I have a need to know everything about.
I am also running a Sense Home Monitor in parallel and I will be interested to see the two devices perform side by side with their different approaches.
I’m near Fredericksburg VA and just installed my Gen2 yesterday. My OCD is off the chart based on the pic.
Anyway, I was trained on vacuum tubes so I’m old. I have seen the evolution of computers since I was a service technician for many years. Everything I worked on is either in the museum or on the History Channel.
Hey JohnSKO, your electrician was way more OCD than mine was.
I’m adding a generator so have done waaay too much research so ask me anything.
A someone mentioned, I too am afraid that once these units have a large enough installed base that they will go the subscription route. I have a lot of Wyze Labs cameras and they have gone through a lot of growth and are struggling on how to cover the cloud costs.
I’m here and will continue to monitor this community. I have a spreadsheet on my breaker panel so I have some tips on that.
Investigation into home power monitoring devices resulted in me deciding Emporia products would best suit my budget and needs. I am looking forward to ordering and using the devices. Now, I only need to determine exactly which device to order.
Hi, Fred here.
I’m an industrial designer in San Francisco. I’ve worked designing many consumer products for lots of companies. (Apple, Nokia, Google, etc.) I Got Solar panels installed in the last couple of months and I’ve been searching for a good electricity monitoring solution.
My breaker panel has a busbar configuration that makes direct monitoring of my mains challenging. The Vue smart home system is great because it can get data from my smart meter without having to be connected to my panel. The next step is to get my solar production data in there. Maybe I can get the Zigbee antenna from my SolarEdge inverter to talk to The Vue? Any solutions or Ideas are welcome.
Thanks for the great start on this product. I look forward to it’s further development.
First off, I’d like to suggest your CEO there spells his name wrong ;-).
I’m Sean from outside Joshua Tree, CA where I just recently moved from Silicon Valley. We got lucky and moved 5 short months before the pandemic, so it’s been great having some space of our own during the lockdown. I’m a former semi-retired web application developer and while I’m looking forward to seeing Emporia’s web app when it arrives, I’ll be highly critical, so don’t let your guys mess it up! I got the Vue so I could evaluate our needs for a potential future solar install, as well as make sure all our utilities are operating properly. A nice feature coming up will be our window replacements, it’ll be neat to see if there’s a power difference between our previous owners drafty mess of windows and our soon to be installed set. I did the install myself, and having been shocked by 120v outlets, I’ve never been more paranoid and adrenalined than when installing the Vue last night. I should’ve done it in a morning because it took me like 2 hours to calm down and get to sleep. I was in enough of a hurry to get the panel closed I skipped taking a picture for reference, and didn’t bother to write down what ports are connected to which circuit. I think I’ll figure them out by plugging in a heat gun and seeing where stuff spikes! Also, with 24 circuits I had to pick and choose, but I got 4 smart outlets to figure out which circuits I may not bother monitoring inside the panel.
As far as smart devices I have, I’m running one of the self installed security systems, a 4 device Chamberlain setup, 3 TP-Link smart outlets, a permanent wifi-connected LED strip, an Ecowitt 3 piece weather station, and now the Vue, and all of them are on their different apps. As @Zordrack mentioned the smart home is still the wild west, but I hope to see systems coming together, and hopefully without replacing everything in the process!
Hi, Mike here.
I just started with home energy monitoring yesterday was the install. Great product for the price. I am a project planner as my day job. A amateur programmer and control freak just for fun. Controls as in PLC and automation. I see some great potential with this product as it matures.
I live in central Alberta Canada and tend to be a power user in all things I do. Now it’s time to get a handle on the electricity side of things.
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I’ll be the first to say that I’m obsessed with tech. I cut my teeth in the early 70’s on IBM’s 370/158 systems and have been hooked ever since…technology gives power, and I love power! 🙂
We just moved into the new home we built in the pacific northwest. Naturally, I strove to make the new home as energy efficient as possible and, while researching the best tech available, I discovered the Emporia Vue. Now I can say with authority that my new heat pump is very energy efficient, which checking all the other major branches on the panel.
Here’s the inside of the panel…
And all buttoned up, mapped and labeled…
The home hosts a bevy of smart lights, switches, window shades, appliances, and a seven camera video security system.
My name is Jason Paluszak. My wife Chyan and I live in Eaton Rapids, MI. We bought the Emporia Vue2 16-sensor system just the other day, and so far are truly enjoying it! We formerly used EyeDro (for a few years now) but we recently added a solar generation system to our home and EyeDro is just not going to work for us any longer (neither functionally, and moreover not per our budget!)
I’m Ira Serkes in Berkeley CA and love love love this unit
A circuit breaker has been tripping and PG&E updates lag by 1-2 days. I’m working to diagnose the problem, and this lets me check on the status instantly.
It’s too much fun to see the effect of turning bathroom electric heater, computer and printers on and off. Not to mention the coffee maker and toaster.
I’ve already learned that leaving 2 iMac in sleep mode overnight accounted for about 1/3 of our overnight usage.
Installation was easy – took about 15 minutes.
Some ideas (already mentioned by others I’m sure)
Web Base Interface
FAQ indicating that Blue is Buying Electrons, and Green is Giving Electrons
Graph with consistent vertical axis rather than having it scale every screen load
Graphs viewable in landscape mode in addition to vertical (and if only one option available, switch it to landscape mode)
Refresh – I noticed it was easiest to refresh the screen by going from seconds to minutes and then back to seconds
Getting smart plugs to test them out – I plan to use the smart plugs to help me expose Energy Vampires to Daylight (or rather PV Sunlight)
I am retired electrical engineer.
I want to monitor a main panel with two subpanels and a solar system, possibly monitor the subpanel branch circuits in the future.
I’m Brian from Denver. My family is working on getting our house off fossil fuels, and I bought the Vue 2 in October 2020 becuase you can’t control what you don’t measure. I picked the Vue 2 specifically so I could get circuit-level monitoring with the additional CT clamps.
We currently have solar panels, an electric car and a ICE minivan, and our HVAC is a ground-source heat pump. I now have two Vue 2s and 8 Emporia smart plugs.
My hobbies are 3D printing and home automation (voice control and scheduling), so the Emporia products are fitting in nicely with my interests.
Hi I’m Chris, just bought the Emporia Smart Plugs to slowly delve into smart energy!
Hi, I’m Joe. I purchased and begin using two Emporia Vue 2 monitors back in July-August to monitor energy use in two buildings at our home in rural Maine. I just purchased a third to monitor the energy use at a small shop we own in the nearby village. Each of these buildings is automated using a Hubitat C7 device and a combination of Z-wave, Zigbee, and Lutron Caseta devices. Each is also heated/cooled by a mini-split heat pump (Daikins at home, Mitsubishi at the shop), which is a primary reason for monitoring electricity use. We may one day install solar at home.
Hi I’m based in the UK and considering purchasing an Emporia Smart Home Energy Monitor with 16 50A Circuit Level Sensors from Amazon, before proceeding I’d like to ask some questions on the forum. Thanks
Hi. I’m Hans, from Alberta Canada. I just bought the Vue Gen 2 to replace a Neurio that just hasn’t been satisfactory – just waiting for the electrician. I also picked up some Smart Switches which I’ve used for a few days and am very happy with.
Hi, I’m Scott and I have been an Emporia Vue user for three days. I think Vue is awesome plus it is less expensive and more useful than competitors (like Sense).
I live in an old (Pre Civil War) but updated farm house and I wanted to see what’s using power. I have an outside meter box with 12 2-pole breakers (plus master shutoff) that power 2 heat pumps (separate compressor and air handler circuits), my barn, and a house subpanel. I installed one Vue2 system to monitor the HVAC systems (presumably the main power users) and the barn but the 100 amp subpanel feed was too big for a 50 amp CT and there was no way to install CTs on the main feed without opening the sealed meter side of the box. The subpanel (by the way) is fed through an automatic standby generator/transfer switch. So I installed a second Vue2 on the subpanel to measure total subpanel power plus most of the circuits (15 currently).
My only criticism is the difficulty cramming all those CTs and wiring in the breaker boxes. One thing that helped me was installing the CTs backwards (i.e. L-K reversed) so the CT cables point away from the breakers and lead more naturally to the wiring gutters along the sides of the breaker boxes. I don’t have solar power but I assume that solar data would still read correctly if all CTs were installed “backwards.” I used the twist ties from the CT cables to hold the installed CT cables near the sides where they don’t interfere with the breaker box cover.
I look forward to software updates that can aggregate loads but the current CSV-download capability is great for offline analysis using a spreadsheet like Excel.
Hi. I’m Hans
I have a 10kW grid-tied solar system in the house. As a software virtualization and database consultant, I’ve had an unusually large number of computers in the home office, so monitoring power usage has been very important to me.
I’ve been using the Emporia Smart Plugs as replacement for several nearly inaccessible Kill-A-watt meters. I’m hoping the app will soon allow me to set up notifications to warn when power is off, as I have several appliances that should never turn off – aquarium, fridge, freezer, hydroponics pumps & timed lights, NASes, firewalls, DNS servers are examples.
I’d really love to see a meter-only variant to the smart switch – I could justify several of those, in addition to the smart switches. Priced close to the smart switch, you would decimate the Kill-A-Watt market.
The experience with smart switches and the app have bumped me into getting the Vue Gen 2 which will be installed in a few days to replace my Neurio – which never quite lived up to it’s promise of AI’ing its way to recognizing appliances – instead of an eGauge.
Looking forward to using the Vue Gen 2 and seeing what changes the app will bering with custom notifications. My electrical contractor is also watching closely, as he has a number of solar customers who’ve been asking for something like the Vue.
I’m hoping there is a beta program for the app that I can jump on.
Greetings, I’m Carl
I have a 6kW PV array, 9kW inverter, and 14kWhr battery storage system. The inverter (NeoVolta NV14) feeds 2 load panels, one of which is backed up by the batteries in the event of a grid outage. I have a Gen2 Vue system with 16 50A current sensors. Initially I installed the Vue monitoring in the critical load panel so I could assess the ability of the storage to carry those loads overnight. It worked quite well, essentially viewing the PV/Storage system as the main “grid”.
Now I have moved the Vue monitoring to the main load panel so that I can monitor grid usage as well as solar production and net metering. I’m having some difficulty with the circuit that connects to the inverter/storage, since it is sometimes consuming energy, but sometimes producing energy. It seems as if the 50A sensors do not account for that but only see it as consumption … sort of the absolute value of the current. I’ve tried reversing the K-L direction of the sensor clamps, and even tried setting the “multiplier” of the solar sensors to -1.00, but to no avail. I also tried setting the circuit type to “Battery”, but that didn’t seem to make sense of the load either.
Any suggestions for this installation?
I just purchased the Vue 2 yesterday and have it up and running. I’m in the UK, so the installation is slightly different. Our consumer boxes have nowhere near as much space as US breaker boxes, especially when they have been added to over the years. However, I have two consumer units, each with seven circuits, so I was able to get all the clamps on.
Here to understand how people are using their Vue2 units and see what I can learn
Hi, I’m Jeff. I can’t tell you how much I’m enjoying this log-in loop I’m stuck in here. Hopefully this helps.
Nope, still stuck in this damn loop. For crying out loud how the hell can I post in the regular forum? I’ve logged in like twentyskevnerndy flippin times. UGH.
John Polasek from Texas…
My sole purpose was to replace a Sitesage unit that died (internal voltmeter apparently gave up the ghost and it started reporting 0 watts on all CTs; Sitesage said I’d need to buy a new unit for $600) after 12 years. I had been using the earlier system to feed real time circuit data to my home automation system to flash a couple of decorations in the living room to let me know when the washer and dryer finished out in the garage and keep track of the power being drawn by the freezer out there and send me an alert if it stopped or suddenly began drawing more than it should since I know of several people who lost hundreds of dollars of food when their seldom used freezer compressor died, a circuit breaker tripped, a contractor unplugged it to use their air compressor while repairing their roof and didn’t plug it back in afterward… And being a geek, I kind of like having the ability to have the automation system generate plots on the fly that have a lot more flexibility and utility than the ones in the App.
The only problem I have with Emporia is having to go through the cloud to pull back the data, since our rural wireless internet is not totally reliable and when it’s down, so are all my alerts and triggers, and I live in fear that Emporia will make downloading the data from their cloud a “for pay” service.
Hi! I’m Steve and just setup our Vue 2 a couple of days ago and already has pointed out some flaws in our consumption! This should pay for itself shortly. Really need more than 16 data points though.
We’re a household of 4 with a 200A service, air to air mini splits heat pumps for heating and cooling, electric hot water heating, 8-person hot tub operating year-round, and a 10.23kW solar PV array generating approximately 12 MWh/year.
Hi im Pablo,
how long you’ve been using your Vue? About to buy a VUE2, maybe 2.
why you’re interested in energy monitoring? Electricity in Guatemala is very expensive, and im trying to track how is my family usage and who is the biggest contributors to the electricity bill.
what other smart home devices you’re into? Temperature, flood, movement sensors, light switches, garage openers.
and what you’re into when you’re not tracking your energy usage? Computers, RC Cars, and Sim racing. About to enter solar setup.
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this is Giorgio from Italy.
I have installed Emporia Vue Gen 2 on my main, single phase, 240v power panel. I have a 6.12 kwp solar plant and I bought the Emporia Energy meter device to better control my use of energy and, most of all, to evaluate if a storage system for my FV will be convenient.
Hi – I’m Larry. I just started using the Vue Gen 2 a few days ago. I have a solar installation with Enphase M250 inverters and the Enphase Envoy communications device. I also use a Rainforest Eagle connected to my Oncor smart meter. I added the Vue as a way to get better detail on energy consumption and simplify my EV charge usage monitoring between my Level 1 and Level 2 EVSE. In Texas, we don’t have official net metering, so I like that the Vue app shows in-flow and out-flow. The $/kWh for in-flow doesn’t always equal the buyback rate for exports to the grid. I would like to see in-flow and out-flow values that are available in the app graph be added to the export file.
My name is Red and I live in the Northeast United States. The locals refer to my area as “Down East.” I used to like the power company about as much as anyone can, when they were a public utility. I helped build some of there power plants and overhauled their turbines and generators in oil, gas, coal, nuclear, and hydro plants I like electricity for most things. I don’t like electricity for my truck or my skidded. Our company sold out after de-regulation and now a foreign company runs the billing office and calls other companies when lines go down. They canned the friendly meter readers and gave us meters they program to tell them how much juice we use. Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse. I typically use 600-700 kw/no, 350-500, if my wife ain’t around. My September bill came and they wanted $1100+ The only thing I’d done different than ever before was run the air conditioner a lot less. I called and complained, to no avail, of coarse and heard their excuses and advised me to monitor my usage on their website. Well I didn’t bother because 2 years prior, the told me to do the same at my camp, where I only have 2 receptacles feeding 2 40 watt bulbs and aradio. I shut the main breaker off every time I leave. I left for the winter on October 15. November, December bill were both over 50 dollars! They insisted I forgot to shut something off and insisted they shut it off, permanently. In the end, I needed to give them the meter number. I had it put in just 4 months previous. So, I drive 3-1/2hrs up there and when I got done snowshoeing up the driveway, I thought I’d meet my maker before I made the last 59ft through 5ft of snow to the meter. I did make it over and got the number. Going back down was much easier and once I got in and started, I lit a smoke and called the Power company woman with sent me on that near deadly mission. I read her off the number and there was an “oohhhh,” followed by 3 or 4 minutes of silence. Yup you guessed it, they were billing me for the wrong meter. I’ll ask my question next post.
Hi, Looking to fit one in the UK. Just looking around to get information. I see it has been fitted over here on our 230VAC single phase but the CT coils seem to be a struggle to fit inside our MCB enclosures. I hope to read more 🙂
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